Comments on: Kevin Ham, Amazon.cm and eBay http://www.dmueller.com/2009/01/12/domain-names-domains/kevin-ham-amazoncm-and-ebay/ Dominik's blog about domain names, web search, online marketing and economics. Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:24:28 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: notimpressed http://www.dmueller.com/2009/01/12/domain-names-domains/kevin-ham-amazoncm-and-ebay/comment-page-1/#comment-4316 notimpressed Tue, 24 Mar 2009 02:17:27 +0000 http://www.dmueller.com/?p=633#comment-4316 http://johnsonandjohnson.cm - ppc, making any money? http://sony.cm - don't think sony owns this one?? http://homedepot.cm - links to non-homedepot sites. ouch. http://honda.cm - sex links, nice. used car sites. maybe honda's moving into a new industry. same for toyota.cm bad, bad. Thanks again agoga for taking a pro-active approach to promoting useful, non-trademark infringing sites. Thanks for putting all generic domain investors in the same light as .cm . This extension needs to be cleaned up by our industry before as mentioned someone from outside our industry does and we all suffer more damage. http://johnsonandjohnson.cm – ppc, making any money?
http://sony.cm – don’t think sony owns this one??
http://homedepot.cm – links to non-homedepot sites. ouch.
http://honda.cm – sex links, nice. used car sites. maybe honda’s moving into a new industry. same for toyota.cm bad, bad.

Thanks again agoga for taking a pro-active approach to promoting useful, non-trademark infringing sites. Thanks for putting all generic domain investors in the same light as .cm . This extension needs to be cleaned up by our industry before as mentioned someone from outside our industry does and we all suffer more damage.

]]> By: George http://www.dmueller.com/2009/01/12/domain-names-domains/kevin-ham-amazoncm-and-ebay/comment-page-1/#comment-4315 George Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:35:20 +0000 http://www.dmueller.com/?p=633#comment-4315 They sell everything. Who wouldn't be their competitors? Then not impressed: "If this type of “domaining” continues we will all suffer the consequences. IMO." What about all the businesses MacDonalds has put out of business? Go look and see if you can kind a ma and pa burger joint. These are monopolies and they all work together to eliminate fair competition and you guys are defending them. They sell everything. Who wouldn’t be their competitors?

Then not impressed:
“If this type of “domaining” continues we will all suffer the consequences. IMO.”
What about all the businesses MacDonalds has put out of business?
Go look and see if you can kind a ma and pa burger joint. These are monopolies and they all work together to eliminate fair competition and you guys are defending them.

]]> By: Dominik Mueller http://www.dmueller.com/2009/01/12/domain-names-domains/kevin-ham-amazoncm-and-ebay/comment-page-1/#comment-4314 Dominik Mueller Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:07:56 +0000 http://www.dmueller.com/?p=633#comment-4314 George, it depends on what the domain name is used for. In this case, it had been forwarded to an eBay affiliate site. eBay is a competitor of Amazon. Therefore, the domain was used in bad faith. George, it depends on what the domain name is used for. In this case, it had been forwarded to an eBay affiliate site. eBay is a competitor of Amazon. Therefore, the domain was used in bad faith.

]]> By: George http://www.dmueller.com/2009/01/12/domain-names-domains/kevin-ham-amazoncm-and-ebay/comment-page-1/#comment-4313 George Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:06:18 +0000 http://www.dmueller.com/?p=633#comment-4313 You can't trademark the word Amazon. The name existed way before the company ever did and is a geographic location. If he was using their logo on the domain, then that is a whole different animal. You can’t trademark the word Amazon. The name existed way before the company ever did and is a geographic location. If he was using their logo on the domain, then that is a whole different animal.

]]> By: notimpressed http://www.dmueller.com/2009/01/12/domain-names-domains/kevin-ham-amazoncm-and-ebay/comment-page-1/#comment-4183 notimpressed Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:19:30 +0000 http://www.dmueller.com/?p=633#comment-4183 wannadevelop- If that's the case then the people putting the complaints into the "circular file" are as much a part of the problem as agoga. As mentioned before, if we don't regulate ourselves properly someone else will and we (domain investors) will get screwed. More and more traditional companies are realizing they missed the boat on many premium internet domains and with agoga feeding them ammunition we will get blown out of the water. Please Dr. Ham (Reinvent.com), fix the problem before someone from outside our industry does. Please focus on your premium domains, drop agoga's questionable practices. Cheers! wannadevelop-

If that’s the case then the people putting the complaints into the “circular file” are as much a part of the problem as agoga.
As mentioned before, if we don’t regulate ourselves properly someone else will and we (domain investors) will get screwed.
More and more traditional companies are realizing they missed the boat on many premium internet domains and with agoga feeding them ammunition we will get blown out of the water.
Please Dr. Ham (Reinvent.com), fix the problem before someone from outside our industry does. Please focus on your premium domains, drop agoga’s questionable practices.

Cheers!

]]> By: wannadevelop.com http://www.dmueller.com/2009/01/12/domain-names-domains/kevin-ham-amazoncm-and-ebay/comment-page-1/#comment-4182 wannadevelop.com Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:08:58 +0000 http://www.dmueller.com/?p=633#comment-4182 Not impressed <--- Little birdie told me that all the tm/abuse complaints that come in daily when it comes to the .cm wildcards issues get put in a special folder... The "trash" folder :p It gets there promptly ;) !! Mike Not impressed <— Little birdie told me that all the tm/abuse complaints that come in daily when it comes to the .cm wildcards issues get put in a special folder…

The “trash” folder :p

It gets there promptly ;) !!

Mike

]]> By: wannadevelop.com http://www.dmueller.com/2009/01/12/domain-names-domains/kevin-ham-amazoncm-and-ebay/comment-page-1/#comment-4181 wannadevelop.com Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:06:28 +0000 http://www.dmueller.com/?p=633#comment-4181 Kevin Ham got balls..... He has one of the best domain portfolio's in the world... It is pretty clean if compared to some of the other major domain holders out there.... But no, he decides to go after the .CM contract --- does he really need all this additional money? I doubt it... We'll see if it backfires on him sooner than later. He has been running the operation of agoga.com for a while now.... Double standards... You think?! Still, he is to be admired... Kevin --- my domainer hero :) Best, Mike Kevin Ham got balls…..

He has one of the best domain portfolio’s in the world… It is pretty clean if compared to some of the other major domain holders out there…. But no, he decides to go after the .CM contract — does he really need all this additional money? I doubt it… We’ll see if it backfires on him sooner than later.

He has been running the operation of agoga.com for a while now….

Double standards… You think?!

Still, he is to be admired… Kevin — my domainer hero :)

Best,
Mike

]]> By: not impressed http://www.dmueller.com/2009/01/12/domain-names-domains/kevin-ham-amazoncm-and-ebay/comment-page-1/#comment-4177 not impressed Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:11:41 +0000 http://www.dmueller.com/?p=633#comment-4177 Ok, maybe that's a little excessive but so is hijacking the traffic and redirecting it to agoga sites. Maybe a simple landing page mentioning the domain is available to register to the trademark holders only. Proof of trademark required. At least this would be better than what has gone on to date. (All registrar companies should be selling trademarked names and typos to only trademark holders.) Hopefully this year domainers and registrars will start to better police themselves before someone from outside our industry does it for us. When regulators move in from outside of the industry they usually take a carpet bomb approach to regulations. This would be bad. Thanks again Dominik for the forum, yours is one of the best!! Cheers! Ok, maybe that’s a little excessive but so is hijacking the traffic and redirecting it to agoga sites. Maybe a simple landing page mentioning the domain is available to register to the trademark holders only. Proof of trademark required. At least this would be better than what has gone on to date.
(All registrar companies should be selling trademarked names and typos to only trademark holders.)

Hopefully this year domainers and registrars will start to better police themselves before someone from outside our industry does it for us. When regulators move in from outside of the industry they usually take a carpet bomb approach to regulations. This would be bad.
Thanks again Dominik for the forum, yours is one of the best!!
Cheers!

]]> By: Dominik Mueller http://www.dmueller.com/2009/01/12/domain-names-domains/kevin-ham-amazoncm-and-ebay/comment-page-1/#comment-4176 Dominik Mueller Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:43:23 +0000 http://www.dmueller.com/?p=633#comment-4176 I think sending the traffic to the trademark owner would be pushing it too far. This is a business, after all, and the trademark owners can still register their trademark under .cm if they want. But sending the traffic to them without having them register the domain would be the same as giving the domain away for free. I think sending the traffic to the trademark owner would be pushing it too far. This is a business, after all, and the trademark owners can still register their trademark under .cm if they want. But sending the traffic to them without having them register the domain would be the same as giving the domain away for free.

]]> By: not impressed http://www.dmueller.com/2009/01/12/domain-names-domains/kevin-ham-amazoncm-and-ebay/comment-page-1/#comment-4174 not impressed Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:47:57 +0000 http://www.dmueller.com/?p=633#comment-4174 Yes, if they have started to stop monetizing them it would be a good start. An even better idea would be to forward the trademark traffic to the proper company as a "gift". This might help clean up the image that has been tarnished with the activities to date. Again no disrespect to Dr. Ham as it was a brilliant move from a technical point of view, but it's bad business in the long run. Best Regards to everyone that has invested in this amazing field! :) Yes, if they have started to stop monetizing them it would be a good start. An even better idea would be to forward the trademark traffic to the proper company as a “gift”. This might help clean up the image that has been tarnished with the activities to date. Again no disrespect to Dr. Ham as it was a brilliant move from a technical point of view, but it’s bad business in the long run.
Best Regards to everyone that has invested in this amazing field! :)

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