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		<title>By: jeff schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 13:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dominik, I could not agree more with your comments above. The auction houses inability to attract end users is depressing overall market values. I am no fan of buyers and have always suopported domainers recieving top prices for their payed lease names. My strategy has been to have my own showcase site to attract end users. 

The few times I attempted to use auction houses, I decided to opt out after experiencing practices that are inherent in auctions that favor the buyer over the seller. I still have yet to find a better way than having patience and eventually attracting end users. Thanks to you for being an excellent host.  Jeff Schneider</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dominik, I could not agree more with your comments above. The auction houses inability to attract end users is depressing overall market values. I am no fan of buyers and have always suopported domainers recieving top prices for their payed lease names. My strategy has been to have my own showcase site to attract end users. </p>
<p>The few times I attempted to use auction houses, I decided to opt out after experiencing practices that are inherent in auctions that favor the buyer over the seller. I still have yet to find a better way than having patience and eventually attracting end users. Thanks to you for being an excellent host.  Jeff Schneider</p>
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		<title>By: Dominik Mueller</title>
		<link>http://www.dmueller.com/2008/04/20/domain-names-domains/some-great-domain-auctions/#comment-3680</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominik Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 23:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, thanks for your comment. Actually, what you and I are saying is not contradictory. I do, in fact, agree with you. But my point is that the auction houses should stop accepting domains with reserve prices that are obviously too high for today's market, because this will only result in auctions with fewer sales. I think that it would be better if we had successful auctions with a high percentage of domains sold. Otherwise it just doesn't look good to those outside the domain industry, because they get the impression that domains are difficult to sell, which in turn might induce them to invest less money in this business.

If the auction houses did a better job marketing the high-value domains to end users the situation might be different and we might see more high-value deals. But the vast majority of buyers at domain auctions have been other domain investors so far. It is only logical that most of these domainers are not willing to pay fair end user market prices, because they want to resell the names for a profit. (The big auction houses have not done enough to justify their high commissions, in my opinion, but that's a different story.)

I'm not saying that every domain owner should lower the asking prices of his or her domains. After all, nobody is forced to sell. What I am saying, is that if you want to sell domains at auctions, which are publicly watched by outside investors, you should set realistic reserves. If you want to get end user prices for your top quality domains, offer them to potential end users or wait until demand has gone up to the point where the current high reserves are justified or easier to achieve in live domain name auctions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, thanks for your comment. Actually, what you and I are saying is not contradictory. I do, in fact, agree with you. But my point is that the auction houses should stop accepting domains with reserve prices that are obviously too high for today&#8217;s market, because this will only result in auctions with fewer sales. I think that it would be better if we had successful auctions with a high percentage of domains sold. Otherwise it just doesn&#8217;t look good to those outside the domain industry, because they get the impression that domains are difficult to sell, which in turn might induce them to invest less money in this business.</p>
<p>If the auction houses did a better job marketing the high-value domains to end users the situation might be different and we might see more high-value deals. But the vast majority of buyers at domain auctions have been other domain investors so far. It is only logical that most of these domainers are not willing to pay fair end user market prices, because they want to resell the names for a profit. (The big auction houses have not done enough to justify their high commissions, in my opinion, but that&#8217;s a different story.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that every domain owner should lower the asking prices of his or her domains. After all, nobody is forced to sell. What I am saying, is that if you want to sell domains at auctions, which are publicly watched by outside investors, you should set realistic reserves. If you want to get end user prices for your top quality domains, offer them to potential end users or wait until demand has gone up to the point where the current high reserves are justified or easier to achieve in live domain name auctions.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff schneider</title>
		<link>http://www.dmueller.com/2008/04/20/domain-names-domains/some-great-domain-auctions/#comment-3679</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 19:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dominik,with all due respect, we are of the opinion that most keyword .com names remain rediculously undervalued. Todays market place contains way too many sellers and not enough buyers.

We as domainers have a choice,we can pander to the needs of buyers by lowering our reserves or we can say NEXT. The secondary marketplace for domain names is maturing to the level that end users are seeking out their own private deals with domainers. For us all to lower our reserves to accomodate buyers being able to buy on the cheap and then flip to end users undermines our investments. Domainers are getting wise to buyers at auctions flipping names for 10 to 100 multiples. It is a good sign in my opinion that people are raising their reserves, that is unless you are a buyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dominik,with all due respect, we are of the opinion that most keyword .com names remain rediculously undervalued. Todays market place contains way too many sellers and not enough buyers.</p>
<p>We as domainers have a choice,we can pander to the needs of buyers by lowering our reserves or we can say NEXT. The secondary marketplace for domain names is maturing to the level that end users are seeking out their own private deals with domainers. For us all to lower our reserves to accomodate buyers being able to buy on the cheap and then flip to end users undermines our investments. Domainers are getting wise to buyers at auctions flipping names for 10 to 100 multiples. It is a good sign in my opinion that people are raising their reserves, that is unless you are a buyer.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominik Mueller</title>
		<link>http://www.dmueller.com/2008/04/20/domain-names-domains/some-great-domain-auctions/#comment-3676</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominik Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 10:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, when I say reserve prices were too high, I mean that they're too high with respect to the current demand in the market for domain names. So, in some cases it might just be the domains that are too expensive while in other cases it might very well be the buyers who are not willing to pay enough.

However, hyped live auctions which fail to generate sales are clearly bad for the industry. Therefore, I think domain auction houses should either sell low- to mid-quality domains which are not as valuable as high-end generics but still attract buyers, or they should auction off top quality domains with lower reserves. Because as it is now most domains don't sell in the auctions anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, when I say reserve prices were too high, I mean that they&#8217;re too high with respect to the current demand in the market for domain names. So, in some cases it might just be the domains that are too expensive while in other cases it might very well be the buyers who are not willing to pay enough.</p>
<p>However, hyped live auctions which fail to generate sales are clearly bad for the industry. Therefore, I think domain auction houses should either sell low- to mid-quality domains which are not as valuable as high-end generics but still attract buyers, or they should auction off top quality domains with lower reserves. Because as it is now most domains don&#8217;t sell in the auctions anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 00:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High reserves set the bar at a level that buyers must meet to take ownership of a domain. Somehow everybody thinks reserves are being set to high. Or is it the other way around. Are buyers expectations of future values to low ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High reserves set the bar at a level that buyers must meet to take ownership of a domain. Somehow everybody thinks reserves are being set to high. Or is it the other way around. Are buyers expectations of future values to low ?</p>
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		<title>By: Dominik Mueller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominik Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, that is exactly what I think. I do not think that demand justifies these high reserve prices. In fact, I have the feeling that market prices have been down recently, making this a good time to invest in domain names, as I wrote in my guest post on DotSauce.com.

Link: http://www.dotsauce.com/2008/03/26/buy-domain-names-now/

The high reserves are one reason why some of the last domain auctions haven't gone that well, in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, that is exactly what I think. I do not think that demand justifies these high reserve prices. In fact, I have the feeling that market prices have been down recently, making this a good time to invest in domain names, as I wrote in my guest post on DotSauce.com.</p>
<p>Link: <a href="http://www.dotsauce.com/2008/03/26/buy-domain-names-now/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dotsauce.com/2008/03/26/buy-domain-names-now/</a></p>
<p>The high reserves are one reason why some of the last domain auctions haven&#8217;t gone that well, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like it's a recent trend to set extremely high reserve on all auctions, hopefully the current demand justify that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like it&#8217;s a recent trend to set extremely high reserve on all auctions, hopefully the current demand justify that.</p>
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		<title>By: Wanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Different area: thought provocing posting in http://www.conceptualist.com/

Empedocles 
Apr 21st, 2008 at 3:55 am 
Would a TM have made a difference in this situation 

I note that the Word Mark / DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS CHOCOLATE.COM was abandoned. Interestingly the mark was Published for Opposition back in November 12, 2002 with a filing date of March 30, 2000 !!

Very interestingly (IMO generic)I also note that Law.com is going through the USPTO US Serial No: 78728331
Basic Search Trademarks http://www.uspto.gov/main/search.html

5 Empedocles 
Apr 21st, 2008 at 4:25 am 
Furthermore
If the .com / . whatever is a brand (IMO it is) and all brands can be bought /sold / leased with the protection of a TM. How much would domain registrants potentially bring into government coffers ? TM agencies could (potentially) also effectively deal with domain name abuse superseding the CADNA / The ICA and quasi officialdom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Different area: thought provocing posting in <a href="http://www.conceptualist.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.conceptualist.com/</a></p>
<p>Empedocles<br />
Apr 21st, 2008 at 3:55 am<br />
Would a TM have made a difference in this situation </p>
<p>I note that the Word Mark / DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS CHOCOLATE.COM was abandoned. Interestingly the mark was Published for Opposition back in November 12, 2002 with a filing date of March 30, 2000 !!</p>
<p>Very interestingly (IMO generic)I also note that Law.com is going through the USPTO US Serial No: 78728331<br />
Basic Search Trademarks <a href="http://www.uspto.gov/main/search.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.uspto.gov/main/search.html</a></p>
<p>5 Empedocles<br />
Apr 21st, 2008 at 4:25 am<br />
Furthermore<br />
If the .com / . whatever is a brand (IMO it is) and all brands can be bought /sold / leased with the protection of a TM. How much would domain registrants potentially bring into government coffers ? TM agencies could (potentially) also effectively deal with domain name abuse superseding the CADNA / The ICA and quasi officialdom</p>
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		<title>By: Dominik Mueller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominik Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: You're right. Thank you for finding that mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: You&#8217;re right. Thank you for finding that mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: John C</title>
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		<dc:creator>John C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

ProGolfers.com looks like it should be proFgolfers.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>ProGolfers.com looks like it should be proFgolfers.com</p>
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